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Post by Reyxor - Lucag on Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:07 am

Hello, this is another situation room post, like some of my other posts, I know. Just got a thought about this on some random discord chat and been thinking of the matter.

So the topic, how to make realm good for roleplayers again?

The first though I have is hope that the server tag pvp being removed from the realm when Battle for Azeroth launches in distant future. So I see it as a good thing, when players don't choose realm due to unwanted wpvp taking place. Have been a bit thinking as lazy I and anyone else might be, it is not very top thing to get ganked, so it's a good thing for the realm to get it off the list so to say.

Second thought concerns the bigger brother realm Argent Down. As much as I like their rp pvp events I can't see it to be a home for my main character(s). It's way too different than what kind of community I hold in value so realm this forum represents is still the number one for me. Even today, with the lack of players to interact, taking part or organizing things.

Third thing, is the fact that even though I've been roleplaying some less during some times, I've also been active in world pvp back in the day, and now I've been again roleplaying after getting bored in general with the lack of depth to it. I find rp pvp nowadays the best form of gameplay for me, and the rp that supports the rp pvp things. I know, it's warlike and might be too much to tolerate for some. I am not much interested in conflicts, but I like the wow possibilities to make things like battles, although being a lot for pacifism in the real life. I hate it and that is maybe the only things that keeps me playing this game. So I think one should not take seriously a battle with pvp in wow with tensions high, it's just not so depressing, since the game is like fantasy or a dream, not to be taken word for word.

Fourth thing, there is needed some more activity to be honest. I know we have two actively promoting their guild events to players. The Fraternity and The Ninth Company. There are the good oldies Stormwind Council and Ironforge Senate. I value these both, since they are great to keep things going. What I'd like is more courage to organize additional own story events to all to take part. It doesn't matter if first they don't gather many to take part, in the state of server, the playerbase is low. Just keep thins going and make ideas, connect to people and they maybe get going after sometime.

Fifth things is, respect to all still staying on the realm and not transferred to the bigger brother realm for more and more and more in not so nice way too. So keeping it up on this realm this forum is for, is a thing to respect. Thanks.

Well sixth thing would be to just take care, I'm not going anywhere, so live with it. Haha. It's enough for me to sneak cross real to AD parties and rp pvp events for some lifting the mood. Would hope others see it like a nice thing to cross realm some things, but maybe I'm just ahead of matters with it.
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Re: Make the realm a place to be for role players again

Post by Flemk on Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:22 pm

Well i would like to see DB growing again, and i do believe we have the ability to do this.
I'd start to drop few suggestions about what i've learnt in my time in RP. First would be nice to smile a bit more and avoid useless drama, at times swallowing the bitter bite, just to prevent players from getting upset and emarginating themself. This is because at the current state DB is small and you cant run away from people you don't like. (Yes Reyx i mean Lux)
And it will help the players to get more comfortable in joining the RP.

Second we should get more on the same page and act all a bit more togheder, this is a thing we are experiencing now in the council and it is working well. And this will allow a solid base to then have the chance to host other players even if non guilded.

But beside this i can do something about it and i will try to. I will start to manage more events open to the public, and trying to make an autospamming macro to advertise what DB has to offer in RP both in lfrp and general. Seems more then enough for me.
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Re: Make the realm a place to be for role players again

Post by Llewyn on Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:51 am

I'll just drop my two cents here.

Defias Brotherhood is a good realm according to my few years here now.. I joined in Draenor and, according to the forums, missed the 'golden days' of cataclysm and prior. There was clearly a lot of diversity and depth prior to becoming a ghost realm, which usually is a good thing.

My theory is that some people are dissuaded by their previous experiences on the realm. People recognize the various
individuals and/or elements which constituted a good days RP and fail to see them protrayed in the realm today.

I believe the main issue stems from guilds becoming increasingly insular. However, this probably also helped the overall survival of RP, but does so with the premise of exclusion. People interact with a mostly fixed cast of people, which arguably ensures a certain degree of quality.

So what's the real issue with that?
Well.. If we keep on hosting events exclusively in guilds, these guilds will eventually differ too much in terms of combat mechanics and guild interaction. Player A might be accustomed to a /roll combat, while player B prefers a duel or the stat-based roll system. Without dragging this out too much, we'll all perceive the realm through the people we RP with. These perceptions might just clash.

What could be done about it?
Besides what's already been mentioned, I don't have many additions. I think we need to revive the sort of events that brought characters together. By this, I mean events which might be perceived as the more mundane fragrance. Events that didn't necesarrily pit us aganst anything, but ratherj ust gave us the freedom to do as we pleased.

A shining example were the expeditions hosted by the League of Explorers. I remember attending one of these events as my first, shuffling into the camp with my half-written toon and not quite knowing what to do. Participants were divided based on the needs of our expedition at the moment and I was sent out to scout along two strangers. The most talkative of the two was a kaldorei woman, who took the liberty of loosely describing the scenery as we moved past it. I learned of flowers and creatures in Feralas, while brokering the first bond of my character. When we got back to camp, people shared their experiences in the local wilderness and there was a fair bit of carousing before players completely left the event.
The event had no need for a moderating DM to react for every NPC, relying on the attendees to portray realistic encounters for themselves. All in all, it allowed me an entry to what seemed like a very tight-knit community. People seemed genuinely excited about the prospect of new additions, which couldn't help but motivate me.

TL;DR
Let's make some community events with a limited need for narrative, allowing people the freedom to interact with each other without feeling an annoyance. It might help us close the gap between the various guilds and allow us to find a middle ground, or sub-genre of RP, which both sides will find enjoyable.

P.S.: I'll try and make my debut as a DM, attempting to add some regular events once I'm comfortable in the role. We'll see how it goes.
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Post by Flemk on Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:45 am

Anyway council and senate have anto high potencial in doing this, so if you can please participate and advertise them in the various chats.
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Re: Make the realm a place to be for role players again

Post by Cid on Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:12 am

We definitely do have abilities for this. While a work in progress, CoKM are currently discussing ideas and experimenting with recruitment videos. Still is going to be a while before we can produce any results, but we are working to get there.

On another note, and while on the "topic" of pages... While banned from that forum myself, we should reclaim the realm forum for our purposes. Some might object, saying that "we are free from trolls here" and such, but let us not kid ourselves. We need to make an appearance, be visible, take chances. We need publicity if we are to grow again. Our absence from those forums is part of the decline we suffered throughout the years.

I keep seeing people who look for RP on that forum on somewhat regular basis, but since seemingly no one here responds to those threads anymore (as I mentioned before, I am banned thus I cannot answer them myself), those curious people leave for greener pastures. We are doing ourselves a disservice by distancing ourselves from the realm forum.

Message macros are a good idea, advertisement is good to have. Always be on the lookout for a prime time to advertise (in my case, I send my macro once every 10-15 minutes or so before events).

These are my thoughts about the topic.
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Post by Llewyn on Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:12 am

Cid wrote:
I keep seeing people who look for RP on that forum on somewhat regular basis, but since seemingly no one here responds to those threads anymore (as I mentioned before, I am banned thus I cannot answer them myself), those curious people leave for greener pastures. We are doing ourselves a disservice by distancing ourselves from the realm forum.

I'll follow up on this. I had completely forgotten the official forums as this has all the banter and quality guides.
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Post by Reyxor - Lucag on Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:08 am

When BfA or when the pvp tag is removed. There are two positive things about it and they both add to the "quality" of the then rp realm feature, which might add to the current playerbase.

1st pvp fanatics, who are a lot for world pvp are not going to like the less players to deal with in pvp in the world than the normal servers with shared pvp shards. So they maybe want to play on a normal realm more than a pure rp realm. As in the Q/A lately was mentioned, the rp realms don't share the normal realm shards, but rp realms work like the current Argent Dawn rp only realm today, when one can also on DB after the patch to toggle pvp on and off everywhere in the world.

2nd rp interested players, who would not want to have pvp on always in the world, can after patch play like they like by toggling pvp off when they don't want to pvp in the world. Leaves lots of less ganking so.

3rd There are really two choices: Argent Dawn and DB et al. to pick for a rp server after the patch. Which one chooses, is about the quality and standards the realms have. And I have to say they are at this point, not very similar yet of course things can change better or worse for either, but I see it wise to have at least something to choose from and thank goodness Blizzard has sense to keep them separated in game, so there isn't only one rp realm. Cross realm will work as earlier so there is still that too.

4th Time will tell, what will happen, but I can see the future is good for DB after the removal of pvp tag, it doesn't take away anything but the unwanted ganking, which has history of being a nuisance on DB et al., which is somewhat interesting point in the history of the realm, something for the scholars to study so to say.

5th It's a good realm to play, yesterday there was an even with 15 players in Northshire, which really is a good turnout these days. Just when things work well and players keep ideas and plans going, it's not a bad realm. As long as there are players, it will be a realm, there is no worry on it all vanishing either, wow is not getting worse as a game but from what I think, getting better, also for my narrow interest in the game, rp and rp pvp, and since there is going to possibly be the same gear balancing going to come out, I think I red about it, same as in bg:s these days, the gear in world pvp or rp pvp is not going to be so great grinding work to get decent gear for many many alts. Have hated it so far due to if one has multiple chars, and wants to rp pvp with them, the ilvl is not easy to gain when someone plays one or two chars with ilvl from hours of raiding, which is just too much time when one has like several chars one uses. So this great new expansion is going to keep me interested in the game I fear, lol.
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Post by Reyxor - Lucag on Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:35 am

@Llewyn
It's important yes to have transparent events, where anyone can join, since there is so few who might be interested to even do rp on realm. So I see guild interaction quite same as I got your idea of it. The guilds are just for the players who want to participate as a certain type char in character with other with similar idea for char, but of course it doesn't mean one should only interact with the players in same guild, it's not my wish to stick to only guild in rp, since that's not how it's the best. It's just to get the certain type char background and to group with chars with similar idea for char, which means there should be various different guilds, and yes it lacks, but its also due to lack of players involved.

@Cid
The realm forums indeed are quiet mostly from roleplay topics, yet recruitment threads there are at least. It's good to work there too, since it's what the new players see mostly as a first glance outside game. I got just an idea, to post there the DefiasRP Discord current guild recruitment channels content, so there would be easily updated rp guild list again. I might be a good idea, and will look into it. Yes I got the idea as I typed this.

@Flemk
It's the best thing there are players who hold these Council and Senate meetings/gatherings, since they are easy to see, if one is really into getting to rp outside guilds or public events, that happen a bit every now and then. But two weekly events a week is a nice thing, even though the players joining first time might see them a bit passive as to participate first time, since they are mostly about what others have planned for the sessions and not easy to get into quickly.
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Post by Tudo on Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:49 pm

First of all, I know this is my second post on this forum so my experience is still relatively quite new compared to everyone else, but I'll give my two cents as well.

@Llewyn
I think your point about guilds becoming more and more separate with their own events is absolutely on spot. This concept is called "silos" in business and can have a severe negative impact on everyone (teams that should but are not communicating with each other leads to big trouble).

However, presumably the councils are meant to help with this. But it doesn't really do that, I think (or not always). What confuses me is this: the council is an RP event in itself, probably one (SW one for instance) that has the most activity (or at least that has the most number of guilds involved). I see people advertising their events at council, but this doesn't necessarily increase the activity of said event. Or at least this is my impression of what happens, if I'm totally wrong then forgive me. So then I have some open questions/ideas with regards to this for all of you:

* Why do you attend the council? What makes it more appealing than other events?

* Do we need some rules for events advertised at council? For instance, if someone mentions an event every guild representative needs to do their best to bring it to the attention of their guild such as: make a calendar guild event, post on their on forum (if applicable), advertise it themselves in some way in their own separate guild events/meetings?

* Should we add another council (or similar type of event)? I've been thinking of starting a Darnassus council, but I always thought it might seem like a bit too much to have 3 councils in a week.

* Or a different idea: what about a monthly meeting (could be Darnassus or somewhere else, like Argus or someone's Garrison maybe? Smile ) where someone would hold a presentation (we could take turns for this) and talk about all the events of the last month and upcoming events already known of (like a sort of a team briefing).

* Another thing on my mind: is it me or do the people from the Ironforge council not attend the Stormwind one? Why is this?

By the way, I don't mean this is a criticism to anyone (i.e. people not attending events, the Ironforge council or whoever), I'm just trying to start/continue a conversation.

Also, if the answer to any of these questions/issues is something related to personal drama (between individuals or guilds) like @Flemk was mentioning, then you have your answer: grow up and fix this drama or such a small community will never thrive. Smile I know, cynical and pessimistic, but maybe something that needs to be said (or maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about).

Thanks!

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