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Lore/Sanity Check

Post by Reynard on Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:44 am

Ello,

Can one of you Lore-gurus please sanity check the history and background of my rogue, Captain Reynard Ferrand please?

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If anything in there is dodgy/wrong/laughable, please let me know ASAP!

Many thanks!

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Re: Lore/Sanity Check

Post by Skarain on Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:03 pm

Spoiler:

His hair is naturally blond but he has taken to dying it black recently for no other reason than he was bored. He has a penchant for wearing black.
Perhaps change that he dyed his hair as part of his penchant for wearing black. Also come up (at somepoint) a reason why he prefers to wear black.

Born the second son to Lord Caer Ferrand, of the Iron House of Lordaeron, Reynard had an affluent upbringing.
The what now? Is the Family Name/House "Ferrand" or "Iron"?.

Also a bit of lore to quote from Warcraft: Chronicles. Just general "good to know" info, since it touches Nobles around Lordaeron region.

The Fracturing of Arathor, 1200 years before The Dark Portal
Over the years, Strom's power continued to wane. Bound by rocky, mountainous terrain and lacking natural resources, Strom could not compete with the economies of the other city-states. Eventually, many of Strom's noble families departed to the fertile valleys and pastures of the north. There, they founded a city-state and named it after the surrounding region: Lordaeron. The nobles used their wealth to buy up large plots of land, some of which had been developed by earlier settlers. These areas included the Agamand Mills and the farmsteads owned by the Banir and Solliden families.

Then the Scourge came.
The Scourge "came" from the citizen of Lordaeron. The plagued grain was distributed forward, to all regions from Andorhal. Since your family was so close to it, I suggest to conjure up a reason why none of them ate any bread. It is fair that their common folk around their keep (if they had any keep) ate bread, and the nobles ended up covering in their keep until the armies of Lordaeron and the Paladins cleared it up, giving them the opportunity to flee.

Forced to flee south like so many others, his family fled to Stormwind.

Also did the family flee to Stormwind right away, or only after Arthas returned to Lordaeron and murdered King Teranas? I would guess after. They would still be seeking to try to return to their old lives, even after the initial waves/rumors of the undeads. Upon hearing the King falling and the presence of the Undead growing, Paladins defending the remaining population... At such a time it would be good to flee.

Just over a year ago Reynard was drinking in a tavern in Old Town.  He was drugged and press ganged, waking in the hold of a slave ship out to sea
I believe when someone is press-ganged, they are "motivated" to join the crew of the ship and they remain concious through the process. Obviously drunk sailors are easier to take with you.

Could say that he was kidnapped / taken? Fits better if being forced to slavery.

the Javelin out of Menethil.
There is no indication in Lore that Human or Dwarves would have kept slaves, so it is a bit strange that a ship from Menethil Harbor would transport slaves.

I would suggest that he was press ganged to join a ship from Menethil that was in need of additional sailors. However on one voyage, they were attacked by a pirate/slavers vessel. Those who were not killed were put in chains with the intent to be sold out as slaves.

He and a few of the slaves he was captured with rose up and overpowered their capturers.
While certainly possible, I suggest that you develop a deeper story around this eventually. Slaves are generally kept in chains and behind iron bars. You need some kind of plan if you are to overthrow your captors from that position.

Reynard has managed to find out that it was his older brother Maynard who paid for him to be taken into slavery.  As yet he has no idea why, and now has no idea who to trust so he tells few people of his true history.
Nothing to comment. May require some changes if you take my suggestion. Under my suggestion, perhaps it was his brother Maynard who paid the pirates to attack the ship to abduct him from said vessel he had been forced to working on. May still require more work, this part of story.
I did give it a read and these are the things I found. Do bump up the thread again if you wish me to take another read.

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Re: Lore/Sanity Check

Post by Reynard on Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:00 am

Wow - thanks for taking so much time to read and comment on this.  Smile

A few responses:

So in terms of the character Reynard Ferrand, he is a million times more fleshed out than I have put into that post.  Basically I have written two novels (am slowly writing the third) with him as a main character.  You can find my Amazon Page here:  http://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-J.-Blake/e/B00FZJHRIE/

Reynard is extremely well developed and his background as posted on these forums is my effort to shoehorn his book background into Azeroth.  The books are set in a world of my own devising and so there is no direct fit into Azeroth so there are places I've had to compromise/change things about.

Regarding why Reynard likes to wear black - that has never been explained.  I've never really thought too deeply about that particular character trait - he just does.  Smile

The whole background about growing up in Lordaeron is the place I'm not very familiar with.  I'll read what you have responded in more detail and rework it to fit in with the Lore.  This is exactly what I was after when I asked for feedback - so thanks so much on that area.

Regarding the being captured and made a slave on a ship, well I would like to keep that story (it is an important part of Reynard's story in the books).  I can see that saying the Javelin is out of Menethil isn't a good choice as they would not likely be slavers.

Now, in the books there is the Guild of Master Merchants and Sea Farers who (though it is illegal) keep slaves locked up in their galleys to row - simply as it is cheaper than hiring them.   So Reynard was captured by these slavers.   The books tell about how he and a few other slaves manage to escape from their bonds.  I could post details on his forum post here, but there is little point as I know all the details intimately if anyone ever bothers to ask in character. Or you can just read it in the books. Smile I think you can download the first three chapters of Reynard's Fate for free on Kindle - and they cover Reynard's escape from the ship and him and his slave companions taking control.

For some more info on this, the ship in question was called the Hammerhead when he was captured.  But once him and a few fellow slaves had overcome their captors they took the Hammerhead to a shipyard which asks no questions (not sure where that might be in Azeroth - possibly Ratchet?) and got it renamed to the Javelin in order to help escape the attentions of the Guild.  In the books that did not work out so well for them.

So as you can see I'm trying to make this well defined background I have written for the character (through 2 novels) fit into Azeroth and make sense from a practical and lore point of view - something that I'm far less familiar with.

Would it be likely that there would be slaver ships running out of, say, Booty Bay?

Oh, regarding his name. The surname is 'Ferrand'. His family were also known as the Iron House, because they're famous for the iron nodes which dot the landscape around their ancestral home and for the smiths who they employ - some of the best in Lordaeron.

Thanks for your help on this, it will be great to get a character who fits with my stories and yet still works inside Azeroth. But if trying to match them too closely isn't going to work then I'll just scrap his complex background and leave him as "Captain Reynard Ferrand - Ship's Captain" and be done with it. Smile

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Re: Lore/Sanity Check

Post by Skarain on Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:41 am

I see you have the background of your character already well fleshed out. The form you wrote it on the forums had merely lots of blank spots, which now are explained.

To be fair, your background is alright. Some strange wordings, maybe (such as boredom for dying hair), or not specifying the Iron House part, but those have already been clarified.

I would also suggest that you relocate your family's house to a more mountainous region in the Plaguelands area, since such an area is more likely to have good Iron Deposits rather than Andorhal, which was more of the center of Farming.

You could also say that The Javelin was of Kul Tiras rather than Menethil Harbor.
Over one thousand years ago, the city-state of Kul Tiras was founded upon a large island west of Khaz Modan and in between Stormwind and Lordaeron. Kul Tiras developed a thriving economy based on fishing and exports. Over the years mighty fleets of merchant vessels were built and they sailed throughout the seas in search of exotic goods to trade and sell.
As the maritime nation, I am sure Kul Tiras would have iffy seafarers and captains fit for your story.

Those are my suggestions as for now. Nothing bad in your background story. Merely polishing the details to made fit better to the Warcraft setting.

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Re: Lore/Sanity Check

Post by Reynard on Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:05 am

Thanks again. Smile

Initial background post updated to take into account your excellent feedback. If you get a chance to comment on the fixed version it would be very much appreciated.

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Re: Lore/Sanity Check

Post by Skarain on Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:57 am

I found the time to read through it again. Looks good by most part. One minor detail nitpicking.

The plague of Lordaeron originally spread through the Plagued Grain, which was then made to bread, eaten, people got poisoned, died, got raised.

Did the wagon delivering the grain to the Ferrand estate slip on the mountain path and tumble into a deep ravine?

Does the people of the Iron House prefer to eat mushrooms instead of grain and bread?

Or is there other reason why the Grain, which was what was Plagued did never reach Ferrand before word of Plagued Grain did?

(Maybe their mill was broken?)

Just a minor detail though! Plenty of ways to explain that.

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Off-topic, I am mildly amused on how close "Feirand", my character family name is to "Ferrand". Alas, mine was from Gilneas and from a magic-heavy bloodline (that name was actually never specified).

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