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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Vardrek/Burgen on Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:23 am

Honestly never remember their being a large concentration of civilian Rp'ers, remember civilian Rp being made by alts to fill in gaps or continue a story though.

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Amaryl on Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:46 am

The biggest problem with alt guilds, is that they're alt guilds.

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Demurral on Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:06 am

While it seems that everyone has issues with making a civilian guild, consider this: Have you ever wanted to RP a lawyer?
A shopkeeper?
A blacksmith?
For any of these roles, there's barely anyplace you can feasibly put them on the server, guild wise. They aren't guards, so that's out. (Though, in the case of the lawyer, best not be an official member in either case).
You can't join the Cartel, and you aren't an overly religious Disciple. You definitely aren't much of an adventurer.
So, what does everyone do? They join their main guilds as OOC members or alts, and... Do nothing with that guild, in most cases. You can't join your guilds main event, as you aren't a member. You can't start your own event in most cases, as the rest of the members aren't there for that purpose.

In essence, I support the idea of the guild. As people have said, though - use it to run Alliance and City-wide events. Markets, civilian fishing ships, blacksmiths wandering around Ironforge.

Let every member of this civilian guild be plot people, or the supporting characters for your story - Want a new sword to smite those nasty orcs? Find a Citizen of Azeroth.
Want a new piece of leather armour? Find a Citizen of Azeroth.
Want to find gossip form the rumour mill, In character? Find a barkeep from Citizens of Azeroth.
Are your posh robes suddenly covered in grime from that clinic, Arenfel, but you can't be seen washing your own clothes, thats preposterous? Find a Citizen of Azeroth.
Want to get a group of strippers and booze? Find the cartel members. Just invite the citizens pleasewedon'tgettodoanythingfun kkthxbye.

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Iriel Silversong on Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:22 am

And on the mention all civilians are armed is a highly mistaken statement

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Iriel Silversong on Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:23 am

Demurral wrote:While it seems that everyone has issues with making a civilian guild, consider this: Have you ever wanted to RP a lawyer?
A shopkeeper?
A blacksmith?
For any of these roles, there's barely anyplace you can feasibly put them on the server, guild wise. They aren't guards, so that's out. (Though, in the case of the lawyer, best not be an official member in either case).
You can't join the Cartel, and you aren't an overly religious Disciple. You definitely aren't much of an adventurer.
So, what does everyone do? They join their main guilds as OOC members or alts, and... Do nothing with that guild, in most cases. You can't join your guilds main event, as you aren't a member. You can't start your own event in most cases, as the rest of the members aren't there for that purpose.

In essence, I support the idea of the guild. As people have said, though - use it to run Alliance and City-wide events. Markets, civilian fishing ships, blacksmiths wandering around Ironforge.

Let every member of this civilian guild be plot people, or the supporting characters for your story - Want a new sword to smite those nasty orcs? Find a Citizen of Azeroth.
Want a new piece of leather armour? Find a Citizen of Azeroth.
Want to find gossip form the rumour mill, In character? Find a barkeep from Citizens of Azeroth.
Are your posh robes suddenly covered in grime from that clinic, Arenfel, but you can't be seen washing your own clothes, thats preposterous? Find a Citizen of Azeroth.
Want to get a group of strippers and booze? Find the cartel members. Just invite the citizens pleasewedon'tgettodoanythingfun kkthxbye.


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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Ixirar/Kavalis on Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:03 am

Iriel Silversong wrote:And on the mention all civilians are armed is a highly mistaken statement

Well alright but that's not what I said so I've no problem yielding that.

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by siegmund on Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:12 am

While it seems that everyone has issues with making a civilian guild

More like just concerns or thoughts, ideas, sugestions, experience

And on the mention all civilians are armed is a highly mistaken statement

If every civilian had a dagger it wouldn't strike me as odd. Swords, pistols, i dunno what else probably wouldn't make as much sense.

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Coppersocket on Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:16 am

I don't think the server necessarily needs more Civilians in Stormwind, despite that Coppersocket is pretty much the single civilian aside from Kurt.

But even then, none of these characters are especially "normal".
What I think this server needs if anything, is more focus on publicity.

What I mean by that is taking RP out of Stormwind more often than current. It's far too safe to rely on Stormwind to give you the fill you need, and because of that it's also too difficult to create RP that would be labeled "random" outside of it.

The RP has also become extremely stagnant, with very little variety to show. There's very little on Alliance I would call interesting as a concept. It's either a "We do adventure" or "We're guards/criminals".
There's no middle ground anywhere. The closest thing to a middleground is my own guild. Coppers Sockets' is based on the foundation of Jewelcrafting and other variety jobs that require no violence or heroic deeds. Coppers Sockets is for the commoner who works with a normal profession to make a living.
It is truly the most "commoner" guild you could currently find, despite that the guild has the entirety of 2 active members. That being me, and Damoni.

I have a few standards with the guild, but it's nothing extreme. Simply stuff that makes the RP appear a little bit more professional, and adds flavor to the RP for others.

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Lyniath on Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:29 am

Coppersocket wrote:
What I mean by that is taking RP out of Stormwind more often than current. It's far too safe to rely on Stormwind to give you the fill you need, and because of that it's also too difficult to create RP that would be labeled "random" outside of it.
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I would say even -inside- Stormwind it's hard to find things.
I've been kinda bored stalking RPers the last few days, and it's either "Cartel outside the Lady" or "People inside CC/SI:7 and hiding from randomers".

I mean I don't hold any illusions, I play a character that's pretty quickly dismissed as a "lol noob" concept, but even if I go down casual, or on another char it's the same - "Check Lady, Check Pig, end up with just Cartel/Cartel'n'Guards in private events, wander round CC, get closed-off guards"

At least when the Platoon was around for a short while, Taph and such tried to get a bunch of people doing stuff together and set up RP raids in the city - even tho end of the day they were just 'another' guard guild

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Coppersocket on Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:58 am

Agreed, but that's where we begin to ask the question: "Why has the server become what it is?" I would state that this very forum has had quite the impact on the current state of the RP community on this server.

You may be reluctant to agree, but having the RP community hide away on a remote website to discuss things wasn't a good idea at the time it was creted, and it's continued to not be a good idea. In fact, it's a even worse idea today than before, as we're really starving for new/more people. Stormwind is completely dead beyond Cartel/Regiment, and if we look at how the two guilds communicate and what people are in the two guilds, they're basically one and the same by this point.

I don't think it's too harsh to say that Alliance RP on this server is on it's last leg at this point. There's very few people around, and the "variety" you see is just the same people on different characters.

If people really want to spice up the RP on this server, they're gonna have to put down some effort and band together to actually try approach and pull more people into the community.

I would say there's a simple solution, but with the addition of garrisons and the death of the social aspect that the game had- I would say that simply "Going up and talking to random people in trade district, or roleplaying there" wouldn't be enough anymore. It doesn't expose enough people. (Not that anyone did this to begin with. People have avoided Trade like the plague.)

As a community, the fundamentals of communication needs to change.
I've said this before, but this forum should be closed down. For the good of the RP community.

Will it change much? No. But forcing people to use the old forum would at least do -something-. It'd expose people to the other people of this realm, and those that come to look at our realm forum would be able to see that there's actually at least some RP going on.

That alone is a big step up from what's currently ongoing, and what has been ongoing for a long time.

"So why don't you leave to the realm forum then, Copper?"

Fuck, I barely visit this one. I do visit it from time to time, but at the end of the day most of who I know are roleplayers- and this is where they end up communicating. This is where the discussions and other things about RP gets taken up, so if I want to see the latest silly stuff that you people come up with or make myself look like a fool amongst RPers or otherwise, I really have little choice but to go here.

If any of you actually give a damn about this servers' future, I'd suggest you start thinking about what and how to do, to make sure that we'll still have active RP here two years down the line.

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Secran on Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:37 am

Lyniath wrote:
I mean I don't hold any illusions, I play a character that's pretty quickly dismissed as a "lol noob" concept, but even if I go down casual, or on another char it's the same - "Check Lady, Check Pig, end up with just Cartel/Cartel'n'Guards in private events, wander round CC, get closed-off guards"

Yeah I experienced this. Casually RP-ing with some bloke in the Pig; a new rp-er walks in every 5 minutes and they all say the same thing before they leave. "It's quiet here."

I don't know what these people are expecting. Are they hoping a certain character or guild members would be inside? Or did they leave after they realised no one got killed or arrested inside...

Little effort goes a long way.

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by nope on Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:06 pm

Kind off off-topic but there's a Lunar Festival event in Moonglade happening atm, if folk want to get out of the city.

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Robin Drake on Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:08 pm

After reading through a shit tonne of what you've said and speaking with Iriel. You people said the guild needs purpose and to that I would like to at least -Try- and open some form of bar with the guild perhaps not even inside the city maybe in one of the surrounding areas. It all really depends on the activity of people involved and such. To mimic what Demmural said these characters are -There- to enhance other people's storylines. Instead of constantly going around IC saying "Oh yeah.. I got a new sword from " You want to set up something but you need some placeholders? Then you ask the guildmembers of Citizens of Azeroth. To go over another point - I think like people said it's important we set up more large city-wide RP events such as the market that used to go on. Or the balls we had at halloween. These were always fun. Will try my best to get some of these going.

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Demurral on Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:06 pm

[quote="Robin Drake"I think like people said it's important we set up more large city-wide RP events such as the market that used to go on. Or the balls we had at halloween. These were always fun. Will try my best to get some of these going.[/quote]

I think, on this aspect alone, you should consider named guild ranks.
Craftsmen - make stuff.
Trader - Sell stuff.
Bar Staff - Pour stuff.
Cleaner - Clean stuff.
Couriers - Deliver stuff.

That would at least help members to band together in a specific way. For example - all Bar Staff members could be considered as a part of a freelance group of workers for any pub in Stormwind. Other Bar Staff members would therefore feasibly be able to recognise that person from having worked with them before. The same thing applies for each other role.

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Skaraa on Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:08 am

Though you should keep at least one ambiguous Citizen rank, they'll always be a few people that don't match a set category.

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Tobias Redeye on Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:24 am

Coppersocket wrote:

There's no middle ground anywhere.

My guild has a middle ground, the problem is that it's a bit "extreme". We're chaotic neutral. Mercenaries, civilians or criminals - they're all the same to us. We don't kill criminals because they're bad and neither do we kill innocent because they're good. We kill because we believe it is the right thing to do, to separate those fit for survival from those who are weak while also enforcing a wild lifestyle, completely free from any norms or rules.

I say most of people would very quickly say "Oh yeah they're generic evil bad guys" to which I disagree. We're cruel, we're savage but one of the things we fight against is exactly the "good and evil" concept. I'll just stop here because this right now has a great potential to sparkle up a huge morality discussion about what is evil or what is not, a discussion which I can already say will lead nowhere Very Happy

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Iriel Silversong on Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:16 am

As Robin said we had great feed back and we're happy to give the guild a purpose, we will try our best to set up city wide events indeed. Initially the idea was that, who bakes your bread? Who tailors your jacket? Where's the blacksmith so Demurrai the idea of your ranks sounds good and something that was discussed.

I think, on this aspect alone, you should consider named guild ranks.
Craftsmen - make stuff.
Trader - Sell stuff.
Bar Staff - Pour stuff.
Cleaner - Clean stuff.
Couriers - Deliver stuff.

-Scholar- Public Services
Citizen-

I will put my two cents to make this guild work too, I think it can provide an extra to roleplay and possibilities where all can participate. Like we try on most guilds, provide roleplay for everyone else.

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Skaraa on Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:29 am

In related news, I am currently in the process of convincing the Wardens of Azeroth to move their guild headquarters from Ironforge to somewhere in Stormwind City. That should both expand their horizons for random RP and give a small boost to the population of the city, the middle ground in particular. ^^

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Tobias Redeye on Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:18 am

Iriel Silversong wrote:

I think, on this aspect alone, you should consider named guild ranks.
Craftsmen - make stuff.
Trader - Sell stuff.
Bar Staff - Pour stuff.
Cleaner - Clean stuff.
Couriers - Deliver stuff.

-Scholar- Public Services
Citizen-

I approve of that

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Harold Bonsteele on Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:23 am

I've been trying to join this guild for the past two days now, stalking you guys on the /who panel, but no one has been able to send me an invite (let alone reacting to stalker messages) up to this point. Mind sending me an invite one of these?

(I know this is probably the wrong place to ask for that but like I said, contacting people in-game didn't really help me out)

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Secran on Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:54 am

Harold Bonsteele wrote:I've been trying to join this guild for the past two days now, stalking you guys on the /who panel, but no one has been able to send me an invite (let alone reacting to stalker messages) up to this point. Mind sending me an invite one of these?

(I know this is probably the wrong place to ask for that but like I said, contacting people in-game didn't really help me out)

This. I have been trying aswell. Saw 1 person online that didnt respond XD

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Robin Drake on Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:05 am

To get a better response I think it'd be better to whisper me or Iriel on our main characters.

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Melamoria on Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:06 am

I think it's a fantastic idea and would love to see it around the place. If I can I'll help out, might actually sign Alexa-Marie up to it, (she's a civ) so defo looking foward to this.

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Mallucis on Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:46 pm

I will use this thread to once more spread a word about my (quite old now) concept. Everything's ready, I just need some help.

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Re: A possible new start for Civillian RP?

Post by Reynard on Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:19 am

Are the Civilians up and running? Are they active?

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