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Post by Rosalila on Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:03 am

Ok, so I came up with a controversial RP theory, which I am blatantly playing out already.

We all went through the portal at the same time together -- But here it comes:

Time travel is chaotic, and everyone ended up around the same time, meaning some people came a month earlier, others possibly even a year later.

Which helped me make sense out of the fact we basically already have Stormshield, which some people IC'ly mentioned. Yet I'm being told it's IC'ly impossible to already have garrisons and footholds. So I simply told people I've been stuck in Draenor for the past year, and where on earth was the rest!?

Is this something legit that could be applied IC'ly ?

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Officer High Morale on Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:25 am

I guess that would make sense. Ask Blizz. lul

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by siegmund on Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:01 am

Two problems off the top of my head with this idea.

The most obvious one is that the dark portal gets deactivated, then destroyed on AU Draenor side. Any months after or before wouldn't make too much sense.

Another being Tannan jungle seeming to be one of the bigest badest places at the time and still will be (Tannan is locked and may become open for future conent to go stop something, don't know what yet)

The first one is still the main problem though. Problem is you might not be able to imerse with everyone as some are taking things diffrently. I guess you can do a "timeskip" how long and from where to where is everyone's own choice again.

The only thing hard to RP and I belive few will actually Rp out is Tannan. So I guess you can start off in Shadowmoon at the "camp" stage before going to wooden garrison and up. Of course that's my sugestion. Of course you can do with the portals from SW thing as with Stormshield but well that's just the longer "timeskip".


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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Vaell on Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:06 am

I don't think it would be possible. I'm pretty certain everyone came through the portal to the exact same time. The reason that we see Admiral Taylor's journal saying he's been there a month and the lads of Stormshield moaning about not seeing their wives for months is because Draenor is bigger than we see it in game and to traverse the continent in times of war would take time. The leveling zones may be a few days to 100 for us but a couple of months in lore. It's better not to be specific about how long has passed though as it's mighty confusing.

The leveling zones follow the span of time, so by the looks of things it takes us nearly a month to complete Shadowmoon, Gorgrond and Talador before moving to Arak (if you go by the journal). But again, best not to be too specific.

The most important point of your post:
Everyone is in the exact same point in time. The way you have to view the expansion is not that it's time travel, but it's an alternate reality. Time isn't really messed up. If time is linear, then view our Azeroth and their Draenor as different prongs in a fork. Their fork prong is a little short and we've crossed over to it. The dark portal is more like a tunnel than it is a device to travel back in time.

If it was our past we were travelling to, there wouldn't be any changes. Because changes would alter our timeline. If you take the caverns of time dungeons, specifically Stratholme, the only thing that changes is that Arthas gets attacked by Black Dragonflight but he only views them as agents of Mal'Ganis. If Arthas had been successfully killed or even realized there were agents of time at work, it would have altered our time. The Bronze Dragonflight didn't want that to happen so we prevented it.

The alternate reality is just a "What if" universe, in this case "What if the Orcs never drank the blood of Mannoroth?" - they erected a bridge to our reality and we're just crossing over.


TL;DR - We're all there at the same time.

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Vesica on Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:11 am

"Yet I'm being told its ICly impossible to have Garrisons yet."

This is what puts me off Role-playing with other people, and why i don't do it. Garrisons and footholds, etc, are in game. (Spoiler) Taylors Garrison had been in game for 27 days and had enough time to be destroyed. Outposts are all over Draenor. Blizzards authority + a bit of imagination > some asshole who thinks they have some misplaced sense of authority to tell others what's "allowed".

Don't worry about this theory - if you want a garrison and stuff, bloody well have one!

If its because other people are at different points then do what I do - have your story, etc, then scale to other peoples story when you interact with them, like pvp gear scales ilvls. If this means holding off saying that you've already established a base in Nagrand, okay, leave that til 'later', but keep the story in your head.

I dunno how you guys do it though, the politics seem to completely ruin what is supposed to be fun and relaxing.

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Vaell on Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:28 am

Garrisons can be built quickly. We know that because the Goblins invented a town-in-a-box so I'm sure the efficiency of the Alliance and Horde peons/workers is unmatched. These guys aren't your RL builders that spend most of their time complaining about their wives and whistling at passers by. They're all about the

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Zaraj on Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:32 am

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Skaraa on Sat Nov 22, 2014 7:41 am

On the subject of Garrisons being built in record time. We're playing within a fantasy game world. Have you guys ever heard of...

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Rosalila on Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:16 am

thanks Wink

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by siegmund on Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:19 am

There is sure more then one garrison being built, there are a ton of outpots at places. If you want your garrison have it!

Plus if one looks at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Day 0 - they arrive
Day 7 - "Thank the light we've got our walls up."

Some entries in between but there a week and he had walls up already, not counting tents and all the rest and of course he went lumberjacks out to work asap. WoD came out 14th today is 22th.

There now you can take this and smack the nay-sayers in the face.

Edit: Not that time matters too much since SOO took ages, but in reality in lore prob didn't last long. How long something takes is all over the place anyway. And you're probably not gonna take weeks (or however long again it is) to sail a boat from eastern kingdoms to Northrend. But if you want that's your thing! Point being don't let them others ruin your fun.

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Ixirar/Kavalis on Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:17 am

Adding to Siegmund's point: Since much of the journal seems to reference player progress, (building the barracks first, Maraad suggesting you go to Elodor) it'd, imo, be reasonable to assume that the garrison progresses at the same pace as player garrisons, ie. the first invasion (described on day 7) happens immediately after upgrading your town hall to level 2. So no matter how you look at it, one week of time passed is enough to progress your garrison ICly to the point immediately after you complete the invasion at garrison level 2.

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Catari on Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:33 pm

Vesica wrote:"Yet I'm being told its ICly impossible to have Garrisons yet."

This is what puts me off Role-playing with other people, and why i don't do it.  Garrisons and footholds, etc, are in game. (Spoiler) Taylors Garrison had been in game for 27 days and had enough time to be destroyed.  Outposts are all over Draenor.  Blizzards authority + a bit of imagination > some asshole who thinks they have some misplaced sense of authority to tell others what's "allowed".

Don't worry about this theory - if you want a garrison and stuff, bloody well have one!

If its because other people are at different points then do what I do - have your story, etc, then scale to other peoples story when you interact with them, like pvp gear scales ilvls.  If this means holding off saying that you've already established a base in Nagrand, okay, leave that til 'later', but keep the story in your head.

I dunno how you guys do it though, the politics seem to completely ruin what is supposed to be fun and relaxing.


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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Thondalar Stormleaf on Sun Nov 23, 2014 3:02 am

Up to you if you choose to have a garrison.

Personally I am having great fun in starting from the bottom, gathering supplies and surviving. Garrisons can wait, for my part.

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Rosalila on Sun Nov 23, 2014 3:24 am

I was staying in Stormshield Wink Rosalila doesn't need an entire Garrison of her own.

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Adry on Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:31 am

If you guys don't believe this is real, then THINK AGAIN. I traveled to Draenor once and I found a Garrison of my own. THESE ARE NOT FAKE.

The only reason you all don't know about this is because the Obama Administration wants to cover it up so they can sell us socialist health care. DON'T LET THE GOVERNMENT CONTROL YOU.

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Skarain on Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:49 am

Some people do not treat Garrisons/Ashran yet being built, to be better able to play out the scenario of "being stranded".

My advice would be to "ignore" time: "How long have i been here? I can't even remember"

Regarding garrisons and bases, simply call them "an Alliance/Horde survivor outpost".

ICly the world can be a lot larger, and there may be other holdouts of survivors. If you avoid giving them a name, or naming their size, people are free to imagine whatever suits their scenario of a timeline when you speak of them.

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Rosalila on Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:59 am

I KNEW IT!

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Mallucis on Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:38 am

Ardy wrote:If you guys don't believe this is real, then THINK AGAIN. I traveled to Draenor once and I found a Garrison of my own. THESE ARE NOT FAKE.

The only reason you all don't know about this is because the Obama Administration wants to cover it up so they can sell us socialist health care. DON'T LET THE GOVERNMENT CONTROL YOU.

This ^^

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Jiang-Nu on Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:01 am

I think this discussion is now going on in two parallel threads. Quite ironic, really. Anyway, trying to establish a timeline or find logic in the amount of time in which buildings are constructed or events proceed seems like an impossible exercise to me, and quite frankly irrelevant.

Each expansion has taken two years of real time, yet Blizzard says: Nope! One year IC time between expansion packs. With one or two days of good, solid leveling you find yourself in Taylor's Garrison in Spires of Arak, to learn that he's been there at least a month.

'Time' in World of Warcraft is so fluid that the only thing you can really do is go with the flow, and RP what you wish to RP. Pretty much the point that Skarain brought up. When coming into contact with each other in this matter I can only suggest that we be flexible until a more 'solid' point in time can be established. Some (temporary) retconning is going to be needed here and there when people who are playing out being stranded meet up with people who are using their garrison IC-ly, but this isn't anything a quick OOC chat shouldn't be able to fix.

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Mallucis on Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:09 am

Jiang-Nu, I sign under your post.
It's too messy, the official timeline. It's hard to put pieces together. I still remember a month ago there was year around 41 in unofficial timeline at wowpedia, now it's 31... My char will suffer. Or rather everyone that would like to put facts about it up (25, yet born during Aristocracy Purge?).

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Thondalar Stormleaf on Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:56 am

That is why it was a 'Unofficial timeline' AKA not Blizzard Confirmed. The Visual Guide is a confirmed timeline however. Smile

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Re: Timelines, Timelines & Timelines

Post by Mallucis on Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:58 am

Yeah, yeah, but unnofficial made more sense than official Razz

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