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Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Guest on Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:21 am

Hey Everyone,

The following question came up in my mind.

Can priestesses of the sisterhood call upon Elune on Dreanor?
Thus being on another planet and timeline.
Lorewise I can't find clues on this topic.
Or I'm just searching in the wrong direction.

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Izzifix on Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:35 am

Is "the power of Elune" a real force on azeroth though, or is it a religious interpretation of other forces?

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Guest on Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:45 am

Wiki

The wiki states that she is a real force. If this source is valid though.

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Guest on Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:47 am

There is some speculation that Elune is in fact one of the Naaru.
But that's speculation.

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Raene on Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:58 am

The power of Elune is a real force on Azeroth, but the problem is whilst the Dark Portal was open to Outland, this time it's closed almost as soon as you enter. As our bloved Tyrande says in the End Time... "Mother moon, I can no longer see your light! Your daughter is alone in the darkness." There's some very real opportunities for Priestesses of Elune here.

Mages could drawn upon the the very raw, very real power of the Twisting Nether which was wide open to them in Outland, if not from the leaking residual energy of the Sun and Moonwells heading through the Dark Portal. With no Dark Portal, and the Twisting Nether no longer directly a part of the landscape/atmosphere, mages will have to find a new source to draw their spells from.

Shamans will suffer especially due to the fact that they might have become best buddies with the elements in Azeroth, but these are new elemental spirits, and they've already got their own Shamans they've been serving for years... And you want to kill them.

Nature is all around us in this new lush, and vibrant world of Draenor, but part of the Druids ability to harness nature was their connection to the Emerald Dream. To use their spells in Draenor, they're going to have to draw upon the residual forces of nature present in this world, but to use it would mean to take life energy -away- from the planet. To save Azeroths balance, they must sacrifice the balance of Draenor... A very difficult moral position for Druids to be in.

Warlocks are going to be -very- deprived of Fel. If the only real influence of the Legion here has been turned away, Warlocks and other Fel dependent characters are going to have to be very careful about their dependance and addiction to the stuff, especially with no Arcane fountains to ease their symptoms, even the strongest willed Warlocks are going to need their 'fix'.

Death Knights, Light based Priests/Pallys, Warriors, Hunters, Monks, Rogues all should be fine. Everyone else... Enjoy your character Nerfs.

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Guest on Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:08 am

Oh, thank you, Raene.

Also for the explanation on all those that are affected by going to Dreanor.

Raene. wrote:There's some very real opportunities for Priestesses of Elune here.

Like you said this could end up in some interesting rp'ing for priestesses and other affected.

In which novel or source did you find this?

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by erwtenpeller on Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:25 am

...Or not. You know.
Interpret it as you want. It's all up to you, in the end.

I intend to go have some fun finding new powerful draenor-themed loa to draw power from with my Troll. I'm very excited by the idea of being cut off from the old spirits, to have to search for new ones.

But if that isn't a story you're interested in playing through with your character... Don't. Just continue on as you always have-- I'm sure Draenor has a moon.

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Guest on Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:31 am

Erwtenpeller wrote:I'm very excited by the idea of being cut off from the old spirits, to have to search for new ones.

I'm also exited about that possibility, eager to see how my char will evolve around this 'shortcoming'.

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by erwtenpeller on Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:32 am

Turn to the Light of the Humans and Draenei What a Face

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Raene on Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:55 am

This is all fan speculation. Priestesses of Elune do use their powers in Outland with ranging theories from the lack of atmosphere not stopping Elune from reaching through the great dark, or the Outland portal letting Elunes light slip on through.

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Zhakiri on Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:20 pm

It is certainly an interesting position for Shaman to be in, throughout the Frostfire Ridge quests Thrall confirms that;
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the Spirits talk in a language he cannot yet understand and that the Spirits do not respond to him in the same manner as they do on Azeroth. (Then he summons a huge tornado seconds later, GG World-Shaman.)

This gives us a clear view-point that characters that draw their power from spiritual sources have a degree of weakness on Draenor as it is a different planet and more importantly a different timeline.

I would expect you to take this into consideration, (as I will), when roleplaying upon Draenor but that being said, it is entirely up to you.

Gashuk being an old Shadowmoon Shaman in origin isn't going to take too long to come to grips with similar spirits that he grew up with, but in saying that, as an ex-Warlock of many years having a sudden seperation from the Spirits akin to when they stopped serving them on Draenor originally may tempt him back into his old fel-ways for survival, even if demonic energies are at an all time low. He also is a adept user of Blood in his spells, rituals and Shamanism and the Bleeding Hollow are finally a strong in-game reference/source of that, it's certainly something to draw inspiration from.

My point is that Draenor is full of interesting cultural differences from what we are used to, they are extreme, they are old-fashioned and they are raw and it will be such a buzz to see different characters from different backgrounds adapting to the spiritual energy available. You could see your average Human Paladin or Nightelf Priestess of the Moon paying more attention and reverance towards the Draenei and their Naaru and who knows how that will affect your character in the long run?

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by siegmund on Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:00 pm

Some small things surely can be made fun to work, but being fully powerless don't think so. Most examples tho already said I think sound fine, even the druid thing. Warlocks? I'd not worry
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Demons about anyway
plus they are just as crafty as mages. Shamans was said and druids I think i read a tinfoil eddition at know your lore for that... but i forgot what all it was about, feel free to look that up.

Though for the the "End time" dungeon you got to admit that Tyrande is kind of dead, well a spirit and "The end of the world" is pretty much the thing and most is ash and lava also a deathwing impaled on that temple, obviously she's not gonna really see any "light".

Also I don't really see a diffrence in the light various races use it's still pretty much "The light" in it's essence. Even if you're a elf, human or cow it's still basically "That same thing" imo with of course differences mainly in beliefs. Why would a human priest be able to throw the light around everywhere but a Elf not?

Of course! Since the philosiphy is diffrent a elf or cow might be sad the sun/moon isn't above your head so can work with that but say another elf could just go "Elune is with us beyond blah blah"... and then smack you on the head for being an emo and not working hard nuff to not fail to protect your home and basically Elune with it as well.

So overall I think you can go either way.

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by erwtenpeller on Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:15 pm

Valid arguments can be made for both sides, so it boils down to what you want your character to experience.

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Raene on Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:18 pm

Though for the the "End time" dungeon you got to admit that Tyrande is kind of dead, well a spirit and "The end of the world" is pretty much the thing and most is ash and lava also a deathwing impaled on that temple, obviously she's not gonna really see any "light".

Exactly right. Elune says this line that she can't "see" Elune but is still pummeling you with Elunes light.

How much of that is Tyrande, and how much is Elune is debatable, but good ground for you to RP on.

Edit: For extra stuff for you to use, remember after killing Elune in "End Time" she says she can see Elune in all her radiance before she 'dies'.

Use that how you wish.

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Guest on Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:38 pm

Erwtenpeller wrote:Valid arguments can be made for both sides, so it boils down to what you want your character to experience.

Agreed, one chooses how much he will let his char experience this event in Dreanor.

For me personally, this is an opportunity to let my char grow in some ways, adding good rp'ing, while supported by some background and logic.

This all makes the trip to Dreanor the more exciting.

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Ralegh on Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:40 pm

Just on Mages and Warlocks.
I don't see any reason why they would become weakened to any degree by entering Draenor.
Shamans have to deal with these not being "their" elements, but mages don't seem to have any need for a "connection" to the land to swing their stuff about.
Sure, figuring out the ley-lines of Draenor could help but other than that I don't see why it wouldn't just be standard operations for them.
As for Warlocks they don't rely on fel being present as much as they sacrifice their own life-energy or the life-energy of the stuff around them to create it.
Warlock magics corrupt the world but do not require a corrupt world to function. If anything I would figure a more "alive" world would potentially boost a warlocks potential as there is more to draw on.

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by erwtenpeller on Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:51 pm

Aslaya Oathkeeper wrote:This all makes the trip to Dreanor the more exciting.
I could not agree more Very Happy

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Feral / Blackfall on Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:41 pm

Outland/Draenor is likely a Titanic-touched world, for a variety of reasons, but there's no proof on it, to my knowledge.

There are priestesses on Draenor, in a quest hub in Shadowmoon, who have a working, blessed moonwell that you help consecrate with a piece of "a moon." You also help them "interrogate" a demon using the holy Moonwell Water, without even the need for the Priestess's intervention. There are also druids who use all of their abilities without issue, in and around your Garrison in particular.  Bear in mind, particularly @Raene, that OUTLAND has always been implied to have have the Emerald Dream and heavy druidic presence. The entire Zangarmarsh and old Terokk chains explained it all: Anzu, the raven lord, on Outland, was--with his Sethekk Arakkoa--going to attack the Emerald Dream itself. For that matter, the Arakkoa were trying to summon an Old God on Outland. It's a good bet that Draenor was visited by the Titans, as well, and shares most of Azeroth's magical features. Hell, even the ley lines themselves were implied to be a Titanic creation, after -their- placement of the Well on Azeroth and their introduction of the arcane as a source of life and change--and Outland/Draenor has ley lines, too. It's possible Blizzard meant Outland to be another Titanic world all along--or also possible that their writers screwed up, and forgot that certain stuff was meant to only be on Azeroth.

My take on it:

ICly, my chars will be initially concerned, but find out that nothing's different. My mage will be itching to get back due to a logically-perceived gap from Elune.

OOCly, nothing is really different at all. Elune and the druidic forces are present everywhere, or at least Elune's reach can get to Draenor, even if it were weakened. I'd also say that the faithful or devoted of any magical anything carry some level of their power with them, becoming infused/corrupted by it (depending on what it is).

Also, what Ralegh said about mages and warlocks is dead-on.


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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Skarain on Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:49 pm

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There are a few priestess of the moon NPC's out there. Some south of Garrison, another at Ashran. They do not seem to have problems to use their powers.

It falls on yourself how you want to RP it out, but i'll quote this

"Darkness covered us in the beginning, and we could not see. We cried for guidance and the moon shone down bright upon us. Her soft light not only illuminated the night for us but also gave comfort. Her light touched us from within, enabling us to see even when the moon was not visible..."
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I just can't find the source for that, but i think you can also go with that "Elune's Light lives within you", or that you can't see it. It all works.

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Sorayah on Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:34 pm

Highly interesting and relevant piece of Elune lore I found in Draenor:
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In SMV as already mentioned by Feral, there's a priestess of the moon preparing a moonwell, and she needs a lunar rock for it, because "Such a thing is perfect for use in the dedication of the moonwell to Elune."
That's all well and good, but consider this:
The rock she has you get is from one of Draenor's moons, not Azeroth's!!!
Upon turning it in, the priestess says (among other things): "The White Lady will be pleased.", and afterwards the rock is seen in the moonwell, glowing and with a fancy crescent in the air above it and stuff.
All in all, looks like there is no difference whether the rock was from one of Azeroth's or Draenor's moons, as long as it was from some moon.
This, together with the way that nothing seems to indicate nelf priestesses being powerless on Draenor, points to the possibility that Elune is not only the goddess of Azeroth's moons but rather she is the goddess of ALL moons!!

It is also worth mentioning that the orcs named one of Draenor's moons the Pale Lady, and according to wowpedia, "The orcs used to refer to the Pale Lady in a respectful way, as to a feminine entity of some importance". "Feminine entity" sounds like it could well be Elune, especially when you consider how similar the name is to Azeroth's bigger moon: The White Lady.

Of course that could be considered little more than speculation or one might think Blizz just didnt think of it/whatever, but I think it is a very intriguing possibility nonetheless!

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Feral / Blackfall on Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:08 am

That's a really awesome thought, tbh. I also found this that some people might want to read; it's pretty unlikely but an interesting theory nonetheless. It mostly concerns Draenor, the Titans, and life/the Dream:

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Post by Vaell on Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:57 am

There are ley-lines on Draenor, so magi can draw their power from them. They converge under Karabor (Black Temple) and it's nearly an infinite source of power. A mage in Karabor is going to be super strong. Smile


SOURCE: Ner’zhul stood upon the roof of the Black Temple, in the center of the inscribed circle. Above him, obscured by the lowering clouds and flashes of green lightning, the great conjunction involving the Watcher, the Staff, and the Tome was reaching its peak. And as above, so below. Also below, beneath his feet, Ner’zhul could sense Draenor’s ley lines crossing over and around and through him, and as he closed his eyes he could feel the entire world trembling in his grasp. This was why the draenei had built their temple here, and why it was the only place where he could cast this spell. From here he could literally tap the entire planet for the power to cast his spell.
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Post by Grufftoof on Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:02 am

Vaell wrote:SOURCE: Ner’zhul stood upon the roof of the Black Temple, in the center of the inscribed circle. Above him, obscured by the lowering clouds and flashes of green lightning, the great conjunction involving the Watcher, the Staff, and the Tome was reaching its peak. And as above, so below. Also below, beneath his feet, Ner’zhul could sense Draenor’s ley lines crossing over and around and through him, and as he closed his eyes he could feel the entire world trembling in his grasp. This was why the draenei had built their temple here, and why it was the only place where he could cast this spell. From here he could literally tap the entire planet for the power to cast his spell.
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Ah, cash-in fantasy fiction. That is truly terrible writing!

Anyway, the questions of "how does draenor magic work for us" are best explained by the answer: "because, it's magic"


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Post by siegmund on Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:11 am

Careful as there can be spoilers here if you haven't done spires of arak yet but this should be mostly spoiler free. Mostly.

In spires of Arak you get a book of Admiral Taylor (His journal i think-> If you find a key and yadda yadda chest) where he mentions one of his garrison peeps - Ephial- talking about Ley Lines and the Admiral mentioning he himself has no idea what that is.

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Also it mentions a certain someone else as well that we all know well.
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Wrathion!
But here is the bit for ley lines:

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Ephial is obsessing over "ley lines" (whatever they are.)

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Re: Calling upon the grace of Elune on Dreanor

Post by Feral / Blackfall on Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:01 pm

Aye, I'd mentioned ley lines in my post as there's an entire quest surrounding them, if you take the Arcane Sanctum in ...Talador? I can never remember the name. You have to deal with Khadgar and his female mage friend, later a follower iirc, to "connect" the Sanctum to the ley lines. Again, in Azerothian lore, at least, the ley lines spring from the Well, which was placed there by the Titans. That's why I assume the Titans've visited Draenor, on top of the Dream stuff.

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