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Post by Littlepip on Sat 09 Aug 2014, 5:15 am

Definitely.

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Garrett on Sat 09 Aug 2014, 10:34 am

>implying most guards even give a shit and/or try anything.

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Officer High Morale on Sat 09 Aug 2014, 11:59 am

Garrett wrote:>implying most guards even give a shit and/or try anything.

This. EXACTLY this.

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Skarain on Sat 09 Aug 2014, 12:16 pm

More accurate would be "Prime Suspects (in case of Blackbrews at least)" from what i've heard of IC developments. Not sure of Company status.

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by siegmund on Sat 09 Aug 2014, 2:25 pm

Far as I know when one of my chars was still a guard "The company" has been wanted for a long time and should be still of past events and so on. But i'm hardly up to date.

But yes 'o'b'o'd'y g'i'v's a f'u'c'. Or rather guards don't. Excuse my accent.

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Delinith on Tue 12 Aug 2014, 2:35 pm

Reynar / Raviran wrote:Anyhow, expect to hear about it soon!

I am expecting.

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by siegmund on Tue 12 Aug 2014, 2:40 pm

Delinith wrote:
Reynar / Raviran wrote:Anyhow, expect to hear about it soon!

I am expecting.

It already happened and seems to have ended. Didn't even last a week I belive.

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Delinith on Tue 12 Aug 2014, 2:47 pm

siegmund wrote:
Delinith wrote:
Reynar / Raviran wrote:Anyhow, expect to hear about it soon!

I am expecting.

It already happened and seems to have ended. Didn't even last a week I belive.

Well... Damn. I expected a few minutes at least.

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Bradley on Tue 12 Aug 2014, 7:18 pm

Fact that you cannot seem to RP outside of a blue-shielded zone without getting ganked bout five times each eve' sorta made it difficult to go through with

That and some people can't help but crawl back to SW after a few days, regardless of what the guilds got going on elsewhere

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Terenus on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 1:49 pm

Bradley wrote:Fact that you cannot seem to RP outside of a blue-shielded zone without getting ganked bout five times each eve' sorta made it difficult to go through with

That and some people can't help but crawl back to SW after a few days, regardless of what the guilds got going on elsewhere

And this is why people need to gear up for PVP.

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by erwtenpeller on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 1:53 pm

Contested territory is just that: Contested! It's dangerous to go out there with nothing but a shirt and a shovel!

You are too weak to resist the horde's raids, and are driven back into safe territory. The guards might lock you up, but at least they won't slaughter you and dip their balls on your lifeless body, ey?

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Bradley on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 2:12 pm

Terenus wrote:
And this is why people need to gear up for PVP.

We're not there to Pvp. We're there to Rp. Regardless of whether or not we're able to beat back ABOC, they are still disrupting our Rp

People gearing up for pvp wouldn't solve shit, sadly

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by erwtenpeller on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 2:15 pm

Bradley wrote:
Terenus wrote:
And this is why people need to gear up for PVP.

We're not there to Pvp. We're there to Rp.
By the server's rule-set, those two activities are not mutually exclusive. When your character is under attack by horde characters, that is part of your character's story by default.

If you choose to ignore that, perhaps rolling on a PvP server was not the best idea.

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Bradley on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 2:22 pm

erwtenpeller wrote:

If you choose to ignore that, perhaps rolling on a PvP server was not the best idea.

Ganking bout five times a eve' is not something we 'should' take icly'. There's a difference between Aboc and those who do wish to actually Pvp', Aboc just comes bout to make sure that we cannot RP at whatever cost

I was just telling you all why the Cartel chose to flee back to a blue shielded zone, where yknow, 90% of you choose to stay as well

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by erwtenpeller on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 2:30 pm

Yes. Because it is hella dangerous out there.

We can not control other players. We can't tell them what to do, and we can't expect them to stick to our stories.
What we can do, is make their actions our own and turn it into a story opportunity to explain why we all hang around in blueshield all the time.

If everyone would do that, expeditions into contested territory become a big deal. You need to go find an escort, a body of people to go with you, who are all experienced fighters. That, or you have to be sneaky about it, and be ready to disperse when the horde rains down from the sky from their crazy dragons.

The horde are dangerous. I like that sense of danger and war. I think it's a shame that threat is always perceived as having nothing to do with role-playing, while it could be great fuel for role-play instead.



I've tried to make that guild policy while I was still in charge of the Band. But the idea that just because they don't role-play, doesn't mean we can't use their actions as a part our our story seems to be such an alien concept to most that it never really stuck.

I think maybe people's reluctance to lose has something to do with it. It's not fun to be defeated and forced to retreat, abandoning whatever goals brought you to venture out into contested territory in the first place.



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Just to clarify, I am not saying "take all game mechanics in-character". I am saying use the game mechanics and PvP encounters as an inspiration to find a narrative solution if they become a problem.

The misty island is an excellent case for that. An island free of law is also an island free of the king's protection. The horde players could in this case represent a bunch of horde raiders that also think that island would make a good base of operations, and decided to throw it's alliance inhabitants out with force.

Or maybe they just wanted your stuff.

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by siegmund on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 4:09 pm

The guards might lock you up, but at least they won't slaughter you and dip their balls on your lifeless body, ey?

I'd be fun if they could.

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Bradley on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 4:43 pm

erwtenpeller wrote:
Just to clarify, I am not saying "take all game mechanics in-character". I am saying use the game mechanics and PvP encounters as an inspiration to find a narrative solution if they become a problem.

The misty island is an excellent case for that. An island free of law is also an island free of the king's protection. The horde players could in this case represent a bunch of horde raiders that also think that island would make a good base of operations, and decided to throw it's alliance inhabitants out with force.

Yeah no I agree. While I barely rp'ed with the Brews and the Cartel at the time, I know for a fact that we(the cartel atleast) left because we couldn't resist the attacks, icly or oocly. The Cartel aint that kind of guild. It didn't really matter If we chose to take the attacks in character, since we simply couldn't stay there anyway

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Terenus on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 5:11 pm

Honestly, if you joined an RP-PVP server expecting only RP, you're an idiot.
There is an equal amount here, and this server has a very rich history in PVP. If you don't want to get ganked, you fucking gear up and fight back.

Want to know a fact? Disciples rarely get ganked when we're out. Shade tried, once. We slaughtered them because nearly -all- of the disciples pvp regularly, nearly all of us are PVP geared, conquest or honor.
Hell, three of our most active members at the minute have the grand marshal transmog.

And we don't get ganked. We actually go and fight ABOC if they're harassing a member instead of just hiding in blue shield. This whole attitude of "Well, I shouldn't have to PVP on a RP-PVP server, and I'm going to complain when I am attacked." is part of the reason why Alliance keep getting ganked. If you have a problem, solve it. ABOC aren't that good at pvp, they just have numbers and rudimentary gear. I see plenty of people walking around Stormwind who could easily gear up and help fight them, but instead prefer to hide.
You want a solution to the ABOC problem? You have one. Get some gear, and fight them when they attack.
I mean hell, it works for us, why on earth shouldn't it work for you?
And before you say "That's giving them what they want."
No, what they want is to gank you. They like to pretend it's WPVP but it's not. And for god's sake, if giving them what they want is actually doing what this realm was half created for, then there's no reason not too.

I may sound like a broken record, but this attitude pisses me off to no end. Don't bitch about hiding in blue shield zones when you're too afraid to actually gear up and fight back.

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Thelos on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 5:27 pm

Don't get so jumpy. They weren't bitching - merely declaring. They're not into that sort of thing (PvP), so they decided not to do it. I don't see what the big deal is.

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Terenus on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 5:31 pm

Thelos wrote:Don't get so jumpy. They weren't bitching - merely declaring. They're not into that sort of thing (PvP), so they decided not to do it. I don't see what the big deal is.
The big deal is that people are complaining about ganking guilds, and saying "this is why we cant rp outside of stormwind" then refusing to participate in that aspect of the server.
The pvp aspect of this server isn't a choice, if you just want RP, you shouldn't join an RP-PVP server. Either you stop complaining about the pvp that happens, and stick to the blue shield zones, or you take part in it and start fighting back. Anything other than that is just idiotic, because -you all- made the choice to come to a PVP server. If you don't like that aspect of the game, why on earth did you come to this server?

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Beladon on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 6:11 pm

I have to admit, focusing on gearing up for PvP has been a big benefit to handling ganker guilds. If it was more wide spread on our realm then I am certain that gankers would be less willing to camp.

When Dol started to focus on gearing up for PvP we still got attacked, but with that gear we were able to push them away and stand our ground. It would certainly benefit the realm as a whole if we got past this mentality of retreating to stormwind.

End of the day, we might not see eye to eye with everyone on the realm. But if you are getting ganked, send out a call for help. Dol are more than happy to come aid other rprs against gankers!

Stand united Defias! Lets reclaim our RP-PvP glory and repel the horde!

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Vardrek/Burgen on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 6:28 pm

Tbh I find this argument silly, this server is an Rp-PvP server as such your first second and third concern should be if you wish to be unblueshielded or in a non-Alliance territory, is to be max level and PvP geared (Or fully upgraded endgame normal/heroic gear) with a group of like minded Rp-PvP or PvP individuals amongst you.

Then and only then can you start thinkin about Roleplaying in those dangerous contested territories, and if you would find yourself out numbered and out-gunned, well then I would advise that you start asking people to come help you now, you'll find the help all you need to do is ask for it, heck im sure Xavalis can send some guys your way to help, i'm sure even DoL would send people to help, we did it before fighting Aboc from the Arathi Highlands after they made that whine thread about being ganked and how Blizzard should ban the PvP'ers.

Roleplayers mentality

The current Roleplayers mentality on this server is one of entitlement they believe that they can Roleplay free of attack and free of disruption from outside forces, Aboc are merely a stark reminder of reality that you cannot! Instead you can use such a situation to your advantage create Aboc into Roleplay and then you start being them on that front, now though you have to beat them on the second front and that front is out-playing them at their own game.

In short do not expect to be handed Roleplay or be allowed to do it without disruption that even goes for OOC griefers on the Alliance side, the only difference their being that you can /ignore them, you do not have that luxury when it comes to Aboc/Horde, though you do have tools at your disposal.

It just astounds me how the mentality of the Defias Brotherhood Roleplayer has changed in these times since vanilla, it used to be back in Vanilla to Wrath that Roleplayers would more often than not take a random OOC'er attack/Griefer as some form of IC combat situation and create character development from that, but nowadays it seems people have forgotten what this server is about and that not all of your story will be done in your or your characters comfort zone, afterall war is hardly comforting and this is the world of WAR-craft.

But bare in mind that this is a Roleplaying-Player Versus Player server, with contested zones making most of the world you play in, this means that you bear little choice in what mechanics of the game you choose to play and those you do not choose as somewhere out there is a hunch-backed numb skull drooling orc waiting to get his big "cleavah" into your skull.

Defias Brotherhood is a server that  being "not into that sort of thing" is bad for the server playstyle and to be honest it doesn't make sense in all honesty, infact Defias Brotherhood is the complete opposite of "not into that sort of thing" by the fact it has such a rich history of Rp-PvP/PvP, if one would dare cast their minds back to what the Defias Brotherhood Anniversary engages in....yes that's right World PvP, this is an Rp-PvP server, it will always be an Rp-PvP server and their will always be Rp-PvP/PvP on it, so you better get used to it.

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Bradley on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 6:35 pm

Some people wasn't aware of why the Cartel fled back to Stormwind

I made a statement explaining why

It's not a discussion, It's not an argument bout Pvp. It's not even a complaint about Aboc'. But the Cartel couldn't stay on the Misty Isle -because- of Aboc'.

Honestly there's lots of other threads if you want to argue with someone Terenus

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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Vardrek/Burgen on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 6:55 pm

Bradley wrote:
Terenus wrote:
And this is why people need to gear up for PVP.

We're not there to Pvp. We're there to Rp. Regardless of whether or not we're able to beat back ABOC, they are still disrupting our Rp

People gearing up for pvp wouldn't solve shit, sadly

No, he raised a valid point, it was pointed out to you that if you wanted to remain on the misty isle that you should gear up for PvP, even if you're not going to use the gear at least be prepared for the eventuality and be prepared to do what is necessary to secure for what you feel is right, Blizzard will not intervene they will simply tell you to sort it out with the relevant mechanics of the game (PvP or /Hearthstone), Terenus is passing that on in perhaps a somewhat crude/rude way but nevertheless the message is there.

We need our Roleplayers to be just as brave as Lord Anduin Lothar, we need to start killing more Horde.
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Re: Statement by the Kingdom of Stormwind

Post by Samian/Bismack on Wed 13 Aug 2014, 6:58 pm

Stop going out of the way yo miss the point disciples, grievers are grievers and they are cunts for it. The tiny RP community left on DB hardly need encouragement to transfer to AD.

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