The Grand Alliance Must Stand as One

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Re: The Grand Alliance Must Stand as One

Post by Theo on Fri May 25, 2012 10:52 am

(( Looks like it's my fault, though i didn't expect that much response: Very Happy, only wanted to state that our guild IC is alliance and not neutrals, wether Lordaeron counts as a nation or not anymore, Sorry!))

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Re: The Grand Alliance Must Stand as One

Post by Magaskawee/Anaei on Fri May 25, 2012 11:37 am

((It's kay ledgic, the letter was kinda null and void when the dwarf posted! *shakes fist*

As for the is lordaeron a state. No. The Alliance does not recognize Sylvanas' right to sovereignty, so they cannot count as the Kingdom of Lordaeron. And Calia Menethil, the heir to the throne is missing, and without her, and without the capital the Human Kingdom cannot exist politically. Well, unless there was a government-in-exile.))

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Re: The Grand Alliance Must Stand as One

Post by Antistia on Fri May 25, 2012 11:56 am

Anaei/Vezullia wrote:((It's kay ledgic, the letter was kinda null and void when the dwarf posted! *shakes fist*

As for the is lordaeron a state. No. The Alliance does not recognize Sylvanas' right to sovereignty, so they cannot count as the Kingdom of Lordaeron. And Calia Menethil, the heir to the throne is missing, and without her, and without the capital the Human Kingdom cannot exist politically. Well, unless there was a government-in-exile.))

((I would not say that recognition by the Alliance is necessary for someone to occupy the throne of a nation. Just like recognition by the Horde is not necessary. Lack of recognition doesn't mean that "they cannot count as the Kingdom of Lordaeron". Then there's also this little issue of differentiating between recognizing a government and recognizing a state. The Alliance might not recognize Sylvanas' government as the government of Lordaeron, but thereby it does not deny the existence of the kingdom of Lordaeron. Another option is of course there being a successor state to the kingdom of Lordaeron. What it's name is, I don't know. Maybe exactly the same. For what it matters, Sylvanas herself does recognize her domain as being a kingdom and one can easily deduce that it is named Lordaeron. Though she is so nice as to also acknowledge that the Alliance disputes her, and the Forsaken's, claims to the kingdom/the lands.))

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Re: The Grand Alliance Must Stand as One

Post by Magaskawee/Anaei on Fri May 25, 2012 12:29 pm

Antistia wrote:
Anaei/Vezullia wrote:((It's kay ledgic, the letter was kinda null and void when the dwarf posted! *shakes fist*

As for the is lordaeron a state. No. The Alliance does not recognize Sylvanas' right to sovereignty, so they cannot count as the Kingdom of Lordaeron. And Calia Menethil, the heir to the throne is missing, and without her, and without the capital the Human Kingdom cannot exist politically. Well, unless there was a government-in-exile.))

((I would not say that recognition by the Alliance is necessary for someone to occupy the throne of a nation. Just like recognition by the Horde is not necessary. Lack of recognition doesn't mean that "they cannot count as the Kingdom of Lordaeron". Then there's also this little issue of differentiating between recognizing a government and recognizing a state. The Alliance might not recognize Sylvanas' government as the government of Lordaeron, but thereby it does not deny the existence of the kingdom of Lordaeron. Another option is of course there being a successor state to the kingdom of Lordaeron. What it's name is, I don't know. Maybe exactly the same. For what it matters, Sylvanas herself does recognize her domain as being a kingdom and one can easily deduce that it is named Lordaeron. Though she is so nice as to also acknowledge that the Alliance disputes her, and the Forsaken's, claims to the kingdom/the lands.))

((Apologies, I meant, the Alliance does not recognise them. So from the perspective of the Alliance, there is no Kingdom of Lordaeron.))

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Re: The Grand Alliance Must Stand as One

Post by Gogol on Sat May 26, 2012 5:34 am

((OOC: What if Ironforge ceases recognizing Stromgarde, would that mean you stop functioning as a Kingdom and only become seen as a band of soldiers?))

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Re: The Grand Alliance Must Stand as One

Post by Krogon Devilstep on Sat May 26, 2012 6:57 am

((We Appear to have gone off on a tangent. A bump for a fine post all the same Anaei.))

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Re: The Grand Alliance Must Stand as One

Post by Magaskawee/Anaei on Sat May 26, 2012 11:07 am

Gogol wrote:((OOC: What if Ironforge ceases recognizing Stromgarde, would that mean you stop functioning as a Kingdom and only become seen as a band of soldiers?))

((Of course not, what Imeant is the undead occupy Lordaeron. So I doubt the Alliance wants to recognize them as the Kingdom of Lordaearon.

And aye.. Seiken, on-topic would be nice.. WE may be 3 pages too late..))

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Re: The Grand Alliance Must Stand as One

Post by Lexgrad on Sat May 26, 2012 8:21 pm

((I wonder at what point you all just drop the (()). Its like we know its an IC thread but its ok to post loads of crap aslong as its in (())))

*Jarric reads the letter*

"Interesting read Uncle. I think it is better if the two sides do not make up. We have a dependant ally in the north and their something of a bread basket. I would hate for their grain to go underground or up in price what!

Jenkins, tell the peasents to grow grain this year. If the Savages sell their grain to the Dwarfs I want to take advantage of the market."

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