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The King Committee

Post by Valestrion on Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:38 am

Once upon a time, there was the Stormwind Council and it answered to the King. It was then, and still is, a focus for RP in Stormwind. However, more recently, other organisations have come along. The House of Nobles is independent of the Council, with a different flavour and different purpose, and it also answers to the King. Now there is a suggestion that the Stormwind Army should answer directly to the King and be independent of the Council. Not so long ago, I perceived a conflict between the Council and the House of Nobles, and considered that I should seek an audience with the King to resolve it. As it happens, I was mistaken about the conflict, but it did get me wondering how it might be possibe to get the King to make a decision about something.

In reality, the King doesn't actually speak to any of these organisation. Why not? The answer is simple: he's a mob.

Here's an idea, then, to bring King Varian Wrynn to life in Stormwind society. I propose an OOC committee to act as the King. The committee would comprise all GMs of Guilds who declare allegiance to the King, together with other invited independent players who play a prominent role in Stormwind independently of their Guild, e.g. Stormwind Councillors, independent nobles of the House of Nobles, and senior officers of the Stormwind Army. Where there is a need for the King to play a part in Stormwind events, the King Committee would decide how he would act, based on his known personality, what would be realistic in a medieval society, and what will make the best RP story.

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Re: The King Committee

Post by Ledgic on Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:46 am

I think there are far too many varied perceptions of how he would act, and what setting we are actually in.

So, as nice as the idea is, I'd be saying no all the way. He is a mob, and it does make it hard to do certain things, but once we start deciding what he thinks and does, it'll stretch to all sorts.

And I don't think it'll lead anywhere good.

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Re: The King Committee

Post by Feydor on Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:49 am

I foresee great arguments.

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Re: The King Committee

Post by Drustai on Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:52 am

Feydor wrote:I foresee great arguments.

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Re: The King Committee

Post by Gahalla on Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:18 pm

In my humble opinion: No, it's not a good idea.

Like others have said, it's a recipe for arguments (and not the good kind). Then it will be an enormous effort to get -everyone- fairly represented.

And ultimately, isn't it better to let Varian be the voice of the lore (on the few times it speaks) rather than our voice. Not sullying his authority with our current fancies.

In all realism, there's no need to decide his will. Even absolute monarchs employed many many people that helped him govern. Only taking few sweeping decisions for himself.

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Re: The King Committee

Post by Valestrion on Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:29 pm

So what's the alternative? A society where the King remains aloof and shows no interest in what his subjects are doing, leaving everyone to do whatever they feel like.

Here's an example. On Tuesday, the Stormwind Council received a complaint that the Chapter of Anethion and the Dieudonné Seal had gone on the rampage in Duskwood, damaging property and frightning the local population. The Council was able to offer to pay for the damage, subject to an investigation to confirm that the report was true, but could take no action against the perpetrators, even thought the Minister of Justice, theoretically appointed by the King, sits on the Council. Now, it's fair enough to say that the Council has no jurisdiction over the actions of the Noble families, if the Council is seen as being a Commoners' Council. However, if that is the case, there needs to be an alternative which, realistically should be the King.

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Re: The King Committee

Post by perturbo on Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:31 pm

Haven't Stormwind abandoned Duskwood.

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Re: The King Committee

Post by Braiden on Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:35 pm

Feydor wrote:I foresee great arguments.
This

Valestrion wrote:Here's an example. On Tuesday, the Stormwind Council received a complaint that the Chapter of Anethion and the Dieudonné Seal had gone on the rampage in Duskwood, damaging property and frightning the local population. The Council was able to offer to pay for the damage, subject to an investigation to confirm that the report was true, but could take no action against the perpetrators, even thought the Minister of Justice, theoretically appointed by the King, sits on the Council. Now, it's fair enough to say that the Council has no jurisdiction over the actions of the Noble families, if the Council is seen as being a Commoners' Council. However, if that is the case, there needs to be an alternative which, realistically should be the King.
Well the alternative would be to take this matter up with the house of nobles obviously. We cant "RP" the king, it's just wrong.

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Re: The King Committee

Post by Drazial on Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:43 pm

Valestrion wrote:So what's the alternative? A society where the King remains aloof and shows no interest in what his subjects are doing, leaving everyone to do whatever they feel like.

Here's an example. On Tuesday, the Stormwind Council received a complaint that the Chapter of Anethion and the Dieudonné Seal had gone on the rampage in Duskwood, damaging property and frightning the local population. The Council was able to offer to pay for the damage, subject to an investigation to confirm that the report was true, but could take no action against the perpetrators, even thought the Minister of Justice, theoretically appointed by the King, sits on the Council. Now, it's fair enough to say that the Council has no jurisdiction over the actions of the Noble families, if the Council is seen as being a Commoners' Council. However, if that is the case, there needs to be an alternative which, realistically should be the King.

As far as I can see, the best course of action is to grant the Minister of Justice a liaison who would act as voice of the king. Have someone responsible as an individual to act as the king's advisor on such things. This would be someone who can get inside that fanciful haircut's head. It would, of course be a rather weighty position that might spark arguments to what the king might decide; so you would require someone both impartial and experienced.

We don't need two councils. Hell, empower the Justice Minister to act as he sees fit by appointment of the King if that's serves the purpose. It's a small issue at the moment, attempting to tackle it might however, create a larger one in lines of "Who is to act with such power? What right do they have to decide this..?".

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Re: The King Committee

Post by Ledgic on Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:49 pm

Empowering council seats would need to be discussed at length with the community, I think, since we've done all we can to remove ourselves from any "power mongering" over the past year.

I'd happily have Omanos act as though he has the king's clearance in matters such as the nobles vs Duskwood stuff. But I'm not sure having someone RP'ing the king's advisor is any better than Vale's idea, really, it still places too much power with people, where in RP terms we should have zero where the king is concerned.

I understand your frustrations Valestrion, but at the same time it really isn't something we can do much about. Perhaps it would be worth entering a discussion about how far council members can go without it seeming wrong, with the king in mind. But I don't know, as far as I'm concerned, I'm happy with the council having no huge power, because it makes it easier to RP, not to mention quells any painful whining.

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Re: The King Committee

Post by Geneviève on Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:57 pm

I agree with all the naysayers for the variety of reasons they've put forwards. If you think the Seal are acting in a manner that would cause his Majety to 'have stern words with his wayward Lord' just tell us OOC and we'll do our best to slap our characters on the wrists.

Valestrion wrote:So what's the alternative? A society where the King remains aloof and shows no interest in what his subjects are doing, leaving everyone to do whatever they feel like.

Here's an example. On Tuesday, the Stormwind Council received a complaint that the Chapter of Anethion and the Dieudonné Seal had gone on the rampage in Duskwood, damaging property and frightning the local population. The Council was able to offer to pay for the damage, subject to an investigation to confirm that the report was true, but could take no action against the perpetrators, even thought the Minister of Justice, theoretically appointed by the King, sits on the Council. Now, it's fair enough to say that the Council has no jurisdiction over the actions of the Noble families, if the Council is seen as being a Commoners' Council. However, if that is the case, there needs to be an alternative which, realistically should be the King.

As to this, we're still completely on the back foot. We know a cultist event happened, I recieved an email about it, but we were told the conclusion was cultist threat dealt with, supplies and aid delivered to the people of Darkshire. But, and in all seriousness, we can't find anyone still in the guild who took part. Tarv and myself were on holiday and the officer who led the event has gone afk. If anyone could fill us in on what actually took place from an OOC perspective we'd really appreciate it. Until then our policy IC will be 'deny deny deny'.

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Re: The King Committee

Post by Lexgrad on Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:13 pm

I say slay the seal and the Chapter! Heads on pikes is the only way to repay the people of Duskwood! *nod*

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Re: The King Committee

Post by Raelan on Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:42 pm

We never need "The King's Voice" and I don't see why we do now all of a sudden.

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Re: The King Committee

Post by Mandui on Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:06 pm

Raelan/Relithien wrote:We never need "The King's Voice" and I don't see why we do now all of a sudden.

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Re: The King Committee

Post by Valestrion on Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:24 pm

We didn't need it before because the Council was effectively doing that job.

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